Episode 82 – Interview with Tilly Boleyn, head of Curatorial at Science Gallery Melbourne

This week we were absolutely thrilled to speak with one of our favourite people: Tilly Boleyn. Tilly (she/her) is the Head of Curatorial, Science Gallery Melbourne, University of Melbourne. Basically, she’s a massive nerd, curious about the world and everything in it. She is a collaborative creature at heart and heads the team with a mixture of organisation, chaos, humour and sassy backtalk. She loves connecting people, making space for thought, and challenging people to back up their opinions in an imagined recreation of Mad Max Thunderdome. Her background is in museums, galleries, education, events, festivals, broadcasting and research. Originally a microbiologist, Tilly ran from the lab to the ABC, where she discovered a talent for science gossip – talking about other people’s science rather than doing her own. She then morphed into a curator and has created exhibitions on health, medicine, experimentation, the voice, engineering, sustainability, mental health, dark matter, identity and genders. Tilly is delighted by blurring the boundaries between science, art, design, technology, maths, engineering and large-scale-batteries-powered-by-human-urine. Currently she plots with scientists and artists to deliver a rolling series of innovative and thought-provoking shows to engage audiences with the bleeding edge of human knowledge.

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Transcript

Jen (00:00:22)
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Let’s Talk SciComm, my favorite place to be.
I am Jen and I am joined by my wonderful friend, co-host, colleague, I don’t know what else you are, Michael. You’re just an excellent person.
Good morning, Michael.

Michael (00:00:39)
Good morning, Jen. Yes, excited about today’s episode.
I think I was probably trying to hide how sick I sounded the last episode, but I’m back on track now. I’m feeling good and fingers crossed it lasts.

Jen (00:00:52)
And this time I’m the one with the very nasally sounding voice ’cause I’ve got your cold, but that’s all right. We have such an excellent episode ahead of us that I don’t think it would matter how sick we felt, we would still be excited because we are speaking with one of my very very favorite people today.
And I’m kind of, I’m perplexed as to how we’ve got to nearly three years of this podcast and we haven’t spoken with her before. That was a major oversight on our part.
But today we are joined by Tilly Boleyn, who is the Head of Curatorial at Science Gallery Melbourne. Don’t worry if you don’t know what Science Gallery Melbourne is, or if you have no idea what Head of Curatorial means because all shall be revealed soon.
But Tilly was actually originally a microbiologist and she describes herself as having a natural talent as a science gossip, which basically means she discovered she was more excited about talking about other people’s science rather than doing her own science.
And since she made that discovery about 20 years ago, Tilly’s worked in a heap of different roles. We’re not going to have time to talk about all of them. She was a presenter and a producer on a TV show called Science Spectrum. She was a drive program radio broadcaster. She’s been a guest lecturer at the ANU Questacon Science Circus. She spent five years at the ABC, which is our national broadcaster here in Australia.
She was researching and scripting and presenting radio, running live events, researching for a TV show. Some of our listeners will have heard of Sleek Geeks.
Then she became the general manager of the Ultimo Science Festival for seven years. And then she moved to the Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences, which is now known as the Powerhouse Museum. And she started there as an education officer and then became a curator.
And that’s when I first had the pleasure of meeting Tilly because the Powerhouse Museum hosted the Australian Science Communicators Conference, an organisation that we are all members of, back in 2018.
And I don’t know, I think it was just kind of love at first sight, and I started fangirling ’cause Tilly had just had this energy about her, this enthusiasm. She had so much knowledge, and I just knew that I wanted to get to know her better.
So you can imagine my delight when not long after, Tilly was lured from Sydney, where she’d been all this time, down to Melbourne to begin work as a curator at Science Gallery Melbourne. And of course it didn’t take long before she was promoted to head of curatorial.
So Tilly, I couldn’t be more delighted that you now call Melbourne home. So good! And welcome to Let’s Talk SciComm.

Tilly (00:03:32)
Oh my goodness, Jen, Michael. It is an absolute pleasure to be joining you on the podcast.
I’m a huge fan of you both. And Melbourne, to be honest.

Michael (00:03:42)
It’s an absolute pleasure, Tilly.
Yeah, it’s a good spot, a little bit chilly. But you know, it’s a great spot.
And I’ve been to a couple of the Science Gallery exhibitions as well. So I can say I’m also a huge fan.
And I think that energy that you spoke about Jen, is definitely evident in the exhibitions, which are really engaging and thought-provoking.

Jen (00:04:01)
Yeah, absolutely.
And Tilly, I do remember when you were first planning on moving to Melbourne and you asked me a question about “Do you think it’d be okay to rent this house that has no heating?”

Tilly (00:04:11)
That’s right.

Jen (00:04:12)
And me saying, “Tilly, Melbourne’s a bit colder than Sydney. I think that would be a poor choice.”
Anyway, Tilly, these days you are in Melbourne and obviously we can’t wait to speak with you about your role at Science Gallery Melbourne.
But I do want to go back a bit first because I read you said that you had a love-hate relationship with pipettes and with RNA extractions, but that at one stage you thought you would have a future bossing around lab rats.
So clearly that’s not where you’ve ended up. But like what drew you to microbiology in the first place? Because I don’t see a lot of microbiology kind of around you now. What was it about that area of science that got you interested?

Tilly (00:04:52)
First of all, Jen, how dare you?
Once a microbiologist, always a microbiologist.

Jen (00:04:57)
Oh, I’m so sorry.

Tilly (00:05:00)
It surrounds my very psyche.
But yeah, I have always been passionate about science and that has been a through line throughout my career from high school and all the way through those jobs that you mentioned.
But yeah, I did honours and I gotta tell you, the way that they designed honours is to give you a little snapshot into research, right? And to give you a bit of experience in guiding a project and working on a project that includes those highs and those terrifying lows.
Which back in those days, an RNA extraction, you’d work on it for three or four days and then you’d put that gel under and if there was nothing there… Oh, I don’t think I’ve experienced heart rate like that again.

Michael (00:05:43)
Yeah, I can imagine.
I mean it’s kind of like, you know, if you’re working on something and you forget to save it and you lose you know, a few hours of work, that’s heartbreaking. But a few days, yeah, I can only imagine.
And what were you working on for that honours research project?

Tilly (00:05:59)
Thank you so much for asking.
The title of my project was the microevolution of Cryptococcus neoformans variety neoformans and its response to the antifungal agent amphotericin B.
So that was the title.

Jen (00:06:13)
That is a long title.

Tilly (00:06:23)
Yeah, I hadn’t quite learned the nuance of how to strategically communicate science at that point.
But yeah, I really loved it and I love absolutely the expertise of humans who focus and are generating knowledge off the edge of what we already know already.
I love that and I love the passion of that. I just figured out that maybe lab work wasn’t for me.

Michael (00:06:40)
Hmm. Yeah. So I guess you figured out that you enjoyed talking about other people’s research.
And I haven’t, actually I haven’t heard the term science gossip before. I really like it.

Tilly (00:06:53)
Yeah, that was absolutely my happy place. Like being able to when I was at the ABC, look across the science stories of the week, pick out my favourites, script write, and then get into the TARDIS, which is what they called the sound booth.
And connect to humans around the country, so ABC presenters, and really give them a piece. Yeah, a connection to science happening around the world and the reasons why it was interesting.

Michael (00:07:21)
So, I mean, is that something that you learned to love gradually or was there like a particular conversation that you had with someone or a particular opportunity where you thought, You know, wow, actually talking about other people’s research is really where my passion lies?

Tilly (00:07:34)
I genuinely think, and I’m not being paid for this statement in any way, shape or form, but it was my connection to the Australian Science Communicators.
So getting on board while I was still being a researcher, while I was experimenting and trying to figure out what I wanted to do as my next step, I got involved and started volunteering on the committee of what events are we going to do and who are we going to invite to speak and what do we want to learn?
And like at the ABC, also at that time, it was such an extraordinary opportunity working with incredibly clever people.
We also did this thing called Scientists on the Loose. So it was where the ABC Science Unit had received funding to go to high school… Well, to go to regional towns.
So we would go and book out a, like at Bundaberg for example, we’d book out the Bundaberg Entertainment Centre.
And because the ABC is a trusted organisation, we would contact like the University of Queensland and say, “We would love you to recommend a list of PhD students in their second year or their first year who went to school in Bundaberg. And we’d love you, and we’d love your recommendations and we’ll pick out three or four. Get them to come and do a photos only, what my life is like.”
And so as the students would be poor, we’d invite every school student from across Bundaberg, all free of charge. And they’d come into the whole entertainment centre pumping with the hottest 100.
They’d come in and see these people who’d been to their high school and were only a few years older than them presenting about different aspects of what it was like to be a scientist or a engineer or whatever they were doing within the STEM.
And ’cause we were really trying to do that thing that flips a switch of Is this a place for me? I’ve got this picture of what a scientist or an engineer looks like and trying to shift that so that they could see a different possibility in their future.

Jen (00:09:39)
It’s so interesting Tilly, ’cause I’d never heard you speak about that part of your job at the ABC before. I’d never heard that part of that was working with young people.
And it seems like you’ve come full circle now because that’s a really big part of what Science Gallery does, right? Science Gallery is all about making science accessible and exciting and inviting to younger people.
That’s really interesting to me to hear that. But maybe for any of our listeners who don’t know anything about Science Gallery, haven’t had the very good fortune of being able to visit a Science Gallery, can you tell us a bit about this network and what the goal is, how it works?

Tilly (00:10:16)
Absolutely.
So Science Gallery is this international network of galleries that really are dedicated to building the next generation of creative problem solvers.
And sometimes I even sort of frame it as, the prominence of the word science is slightly misleading ’cause what we’re actually focused on is interdisciplinarity, about the incredible benefits that you can get from bringing people with different experience and expertise together to tackle a problem.
So we’re really interested in bringing scientists and artists together, but also you know, computer programmers and musicians or an engineer and a designer, all manner of researchers and artists, but really humans who are tackling a problem from different angles.
How to bring together people from across the arts and sciences more broadly, about the things that they are natural partners on, which for me has always been really obvious about how both of those practices are really similar in their foundational sparks, in the way that they complement each other and work together.
And the outputs of these things are actually greater than the sum of the parts with the, this vibrancy of creativity, collaboration, experimentation, questioning that comes from humans who are passionate about investigation across the arts and the sciences.
And there are so many problems I guess, you know, that we need to solve as humans that until this point we haven’t done an amazing job at. So, collaboration.

Michael (00:11:53)
It’s so great what you’re doing and you are tackling some big problems and doing it in a way where you’re, you know, drawing on multiple disciplines and really bringing them together.
I mean, what you’ve described sounds absolutely amazing and it also sounds like a lot of work. And, you know, I’m just curious, you’re the, what is the role of a curator?
You know, what exactly are you doing to bring all these people together and what really goes into planning one of these exhibitions?

Tilly (00:12:24)
Yeah, you’re absolutely right. It does take a lot of work and an incredible team of humans, you know? Like I am surrounded by a large team. So at Science Gallery, we have this really thorough and thought through curatorial process of how we come up with the ideas.
And that starts with these two advisory groups, really. And one of them’s called Sci Curious. And they’re a group of about 30 young people aged between that 15 and 25.
And myself and the other curator at Science Gallery, we meet with them and talk about what’s keeping you up at night? What are the things that you really are going to do? What is interesting? What’s a topic that we need to tackle in a different way? What’s something that needs a more collaborative spirit and approach? And what are the topics we absolutely have to stay away from as well, that are boring and done and over?
And so by doing that… And then we you know, figure out sub themes and humans within those areas with this group, they’re really part of the development.
Then we have this international open…
Oh, we also have the Leonardos of which Jen Martin is one.

Jen (00:13:33)
Woo-Hoo.

Jen (00:13:34)
And they are, they are the experienced professionals and advocates that are in this, the disciplines that we’re interested to hear at Science Gallery, which is not just science and art. It really is across the spectrum of media and medicine and maths and philosophy and visual arts and beyond.
And we do the same sort of brainstorming with them and sometimes together and sometimes separately. And from that, we figure out what that sort of overarching topic’s going to be and some leading questions. And then we go out to an open call.
And that means that humans all across the globe can send us proposals. And that might be the nugget of an idea. And it might be something that exists already and fits in.
And then it’s the job of myself and Bern Hall, our other curator, where we’re looking to either foster and support a connection between an artist and an academic here at the university to create an extension of that work or to yeah, support the development of a work from start to finish.
So each exhibition is like a jigsaw puzzle where we know what the overarching theme is. And some of those themes that have come from our audience are mental health, are the individual versus the collective in a swarm, breaking the binaries, which was a show about identity and genders and what else? Dark Matters about all of the unknown and known forces of the universe and Distraction, a show that’s coming up.
So by involving young people in that process… Oh, I forgot another group of humans. I mean, you can tell I’m an extrovert, right? In that I know it’s a lot of work, but actually surrounding myself with incredibly clever people and different perspectives to me creates a stronger, more interesting experience for our visitors and for our team.
So when the open call, people will submit to the open call on a topic. I have a group, a curatorial panel of young people.
So there’s five people where we actually get in a room, this room in fact, that I’m recording this in and have a robust discussion about what works absolutely have to be in the show, which ones we’re leaving behind, what’s possible.
What are the gaps like of this topic? What can we not have a visitor walking out of the gallery without having thought of?
‘Cause questions are a big thing at Science Gallery, of asking people to consider a question or shift their perspective in some way.

Michael (00:16:15)
Yeah. Well, I mean the thing that I really loved about my visits are you know, being able to talk to people there about the different works.
I mean, normally when you go into a gallery, it’s just kind of left up to you to interpret it. But I really really enjoyed that.
And I really want to ask you, you know, you’re mentioning, you mentioned works there. Are there any particular works that really stick out in your mind?
Because one that sticks out in my mind is pretty sure I ate cricket chocolate, chocolate with crickets in it.

Jen (00:16:42)
It was delicious, I remember.

Michael (00:16:47)
One of the ex… What can people…? What can people expect like?
Any, any standout works for you?

Tilly (00:16:49)
Yeah, absolutely. I also love that. All of my favorite works, I think, are those works that are inviting the audience to take part, are inviting the audience on something that makes them feel uncomfortable perhaps, like eating a cricket.
Would you eat chocolate cricket? Yeah, I loved that one in SWARM.
One of my favorite works that sticks out I think has to be URINOTRON. So this was a shipping container-sized battery that was powered by human urine.

Michael (00:17:22)
Wow.

Tilly (00:17:24)
And that was our disposable show. And so that was about rethinking waste, was the callout that we put. And a French artist, Gaspard Bébié, submitted that he wanted to have a plinth that had a beautiful large flask that was filled with his urine, and that there’d be a tap.
And he wanted to work with an engineer to make the tap have filtration systems on it that meant you could turn the tap and it would be water that came in a cup.
And just like the crickets, the question was would you, knowing where this has come from but it’s totally safe, would you drink this water?

Michael (00:17:57)
Oh yeah.

Tilly (00:17:58)
Because seriously, the two great ways to grab people’s attention and make them pause and then think is humor and disgust. They are such great tools, in many tools, of making people go, “Ha ha. Mm? Mm? Mm!”
So I thought that was a great idea, but I wanted to connect him to someone from a different discipline.
So I got on the old Expert Finder at the University of Melbourne and found Professor Peter Scales. Now, Peter is a chemical engineer, and you both know, as soon as you get a chemical engineer involved, they don’t want to tell someone something, they want to show it working.
And so Peter and Gaspard had this wonderful conversation that ended with Peter going, “Yeah, but let’s, I think we need to go bigger.”
And that’s how it eventually, they did this work together that transformed it into people coming. Our visitors would come and give a sample of their own urine.
And once you’d given a sample and added that to this battery that was powered by the microbial fuel cells. Again, microbiology in there. Microbial fuel cells that are in your wee, you could plug your phone in and charge your phone with the power of your own urine.
So for me, that’s like the gold standard of where we bring together these collaborations between incredibly thoughtful humans who love a particular topic, but from vastly opposing directions that they’ve come at it.
And what a beautiful thing that can make with shifting how we think about something.

Michael (00:19:44)
Yeah, gold standard is right. Pun intended.

Tilly (00:19:50)
A valuable wee-source.

Jen (00:19:54)
Ooh, the puns are all happening here today.

Michael (00:19:56)
Did you tell people if you come along to this exhibition, you’re in for a treat?

Jen (00:20:07)
Meanwhile, Tilly’s just kind of losing it in the corner. Tilly, I think everyone listening can hear your insane passion and and energy and enthusiasm and what really strikes me is that you’ve you’ve worked in a lot of different places, you’ve communicated science in a lot of different ways. You know, you’ve done festivals, TV, radio, live events, you know, all sorts of stuff. But you are now choosing to devote this considerable energy and expertise to museums. Tell me why –  I’m I’m hoping it’s something to do with art being such a great way of communicating science. I know there’s a quote I’ve seen if you’re saying that you’re “delighted by blurring the boundaries between science, art, design, technology, maths and engineering”, and I think you’ve just given us an example of that. But why museums as the place to really make your mark.

Tilly (00:21:00)
I think one thing that has driven me with my passion for science throughout my career is shifting it out of the something that is done by enthusiasts off to the side and really moving it as something that is central to everyone’s lives and isn’t for clever people and isn’t for particular people, but is part of our culture and should actually be embedded across how you think about the world and make decisions and who you trust and who you don’t.
And I think that bringing it into, bringing science into the everyday life has also been something that’s been really important to me. And museums and galleries and festivals and connecting to young people are all strands of that.
I love the playfulness of Science Gallery and the way that we can bring people together to really play with a concept and mean that it is less scary and confronting, truly trying to make it a welcoming place.
And Michael, you mentioned the mediators, that’s the name for our humans in our gallery, which we’re staffed by young people.
So lots of our focus within an exhibition is that peer-to-peer. So again, trying to remove barriers that have people switch off or think that science or maths or anything is not for them.
Having someone who you trust and you can see as just being slightly aspirational to you, which again, sort of loops back into that scientists on the loose, of bringing young people who are just a few years away from where their audience is to connect with them and have these conversations that might spark a difference.

Michael (00:22:47)
Yeah, and I mean, you mentioned you know, removing barriers there. And that’s exactly what you’re doing. And I guess pushing boundaries as well at the same time, right?
I’m kind of curious to ask you about what you’ve learned about boundaries in science because you are pushing them.
So just curious to get your thoughts about that. You know why, why do we have boundaries and why is it so important to push them?

Tilly (00:23:09)
Oh look, you’ll be pleased to know because Science Gallery is this space in between disciplines, I managed… Or Science Gallery in the way that we create shows here as a team means that we are always deeply disappointing someone.
So there are scientists who are outraged that we are not sciencey enough and we’re not teaching scientific principles enough. And there are people from the arts who think it’s not real art.
Like there are, being comfortable at being uncomfortable is a boundary that I think all of us as in society need to get a bit better at, at discomfort.
And so yeah, I mean, I’m not advocating for all boundaries to be removed from science. There is a scientific process. There is a way that we do and think through things that I hold close to my heart.
But that essence of experimentation, that essence of not having all the answers. And even when we have the answers, they’re not… Like I said, being open to having doubt, but looking at it, the balance of being critical of information in front of us, but being open to the evolution of ideas, I think is a really important thing for the next generation of problem solvers to have deep within their ethos.

Michael (00:24:32)
Yeah. yeah, absolutely.

Jen (00:24:33)
Hear, hear.

Michael (00:24:33)
Hear, hear.
I feel like we could continue talking for, forever and ever about this stuff. It’s so fascinating.
I am conscious of the time though. And we are coming towards the end of the podcast.
So I’d like to switch gears now a little bit. And we’re going to move to our very famous quick questions, quick answers section.

Jen (00:24:53)
Tilly’s ready. She’s dancing. You can’t see it, but she’s dancing.

Michael (00:24:55)
You’re ready? You’ve been prepared, preparing?

Tilly (00:24:59)
Of course I’m ready.

Michael (00:25:12)
First question Tilly.
If you could pick an alternative job to what you’re doing today, what would it be?

Tilly (00:25:16)
So radio was my first love. And that connection and talking to really interesting people and having to perform and fly by the seat of your pants. I’d love to go back to radio.

Jen (00:25:29)
Why? Why don’t we all host a radio show together? Can you imagine how much fun we would have?

Unknown (00:25:30)
Oh my god.

Tilly (00:25:33)
Yes, and the [human]… Like just that privilege of asking people to come and talk to you and they say “yes” blew my mind in radio and TV stuff.
And again, still here in the gallery as well.
But yeah, sorry, you said quick answers. Sorry Michael.

Michael (00:25:49)
That’s OK. I’ll let you away with it.

Jen (00:25:49)
Oh that was my fault. I brought in another question,
But Tilly, I’m just putting that on my notebook on the side. One day, bucket list, one day host radio show with Tilly and Michael.
But yes, moving right along, Tilly. If you could pick to have one superpower, what superpower would you choose?

Tilly (00:26:06)
I think it would be… And I know this is quite basic, but to be able to click your fingers and immediately go to anywhere else, like the speed of being able to get somewhere.
And again, that comes back to my extraversion that sure, I love Zoom, but actually being in a room with someone creates a shared trust and spark that I think could progress all sorts of things and interests in my life quickly.

Jen (00:26:31)
Yeah.

Michael (00:26:30)
Oh yeah. Yeah, so many possibilities. I’d love that one too.
If you could click your fingers and also go back in time Tilly, to give yourself a message at the age of 21. What would you say?

Tilly (00:26:42)
I would say don’t sweat the small stuff so much and to have more confidence in your abilities.
Like imposter syndrome is a real kicker, but there have been some incredible mentors in my life that have helped me get better at that stuff.

Jen (00:27:02)
Yeah, I feel like that message of trust ourselves more and don’t worry about little things so much is something that we need to tell ourselves every day, right?
Like not just when we were 21. Because it’s all, like that’s all, it’s all still there. All of those challenges are still there every day.

Tilly (00:27:15)
Yeah, absolutely.
I spoke to a big group of PhD students the other week and they asked me if I’d ever, like at the end of a presentation asked me if I’d ever felt doubt or I didn’t know what I wanted to do next.
And I just cackled for a good 10 seconds and then went “Every. Like still to this day, I have deep moments of not knowing.”
And so that led to a really wonderful open discussion with them where it’s like do not, this is not something that is isolated to now. This is again, that sitting in discomfort, but plotting out some steps of what is interesting to you and what you might wanna do next.

Jen (00:27:58)
And you’re like, Oh no, I haven’t felt that for at least the last 35 minutes. I’ve had a good 35 minutes here.

Michael (00:28:05)
Yeah. Thanks for reminding me.

Jen (00:28:10)
So Tilly, three words, please. What do you think makes a good museum curator?
And I guess in this context, I’m happy to think about the sort of museums that you’ve worked in.
What are your top kind of skills, do you think?

Tilly (00:28:22)
Curious, connection, and experimentation for me are the…

Jen (00:28:28)
Love it.

Tilly (00:28:29)
Yeah, and I get. Also, of course, I’m going to break the rules.
Trust as well. So trust is incredibly important. Trust that they’re giving you, trust that you have in them and the institution.

Jen (00:28:40)
Well Tilly, you are quoted as saying you like doing things that you’re told you aren’t allowed to do.
So I would absolutely expect you then to have refused to give me only three words.
I would have been disappointed if you’d stuck with three.

Michael (00:28:51)
Yeah, exactly.
Final question Tilly. What is your very top tip for communicating effectively about science?

Tilly (00:28:59)
Oh my very top tip. I guess… Oh no. I don’t want to say know your audience, because everyone says that.
I guess my top tip is to come to the interaction with an openness and a generosity, a generosity to your audience in coming to meet them where they are.
And I think that took me a little while to learn of being able to connect in and have a conversation that starts off with where THEY are rather than where you are.

Jen (00:29:36)
Oh, that’s absolutely beautiful Tilly, and so true.
And all I can say is that every interaction that I’ve ever had with you Tilly, has been one where you have brought immense generosity.
Your kindness and your curiosity and your interest and your encouragement and your support. I mean, I could talk for another half hour. Lucky we don’t have half an hour left ’cause I could talk for that long about how generous and wonderful you are.
But we’re so grateful that you’ve made time to come and speak to us today.
And I guarantee you, we’ll be getting you back ’cause there’s a lot of stuff we didn’t have time to talk about today.
But thank you for the work that you do.
Anyone listening, if you have the opportunity to ever visit any Science Gallery, please do.

Michael (00:30:14)
Yes, go!

Jen (00:30:15)
They are just incredible places.
And the fact that you are working with an incredible group of young people Tilly, to bring science to the world the way you do, I’m incredibly grateful.

Tilly (00:30:27)
Huge fan guys. Can’t wait to come back.

Jen (00:30:29)
Woo-Hoo.

Michael (00:30:30)
Thanks. Thanks Tilly.
It’s been an absolute pleasure.

Jen (00:30:53)
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Let’s Talk SciComm from the University of Melbourne Science Communication Teaching Team. I’m Associate Professor Jen Martin and my brilliant cohost is Dr Michael Wheeler.

Michael (00:31:07)
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We’re thinking about some merch. And we’d also love to reward our favourite review with a free science communication workshop that we will run for you in person or online, depending on whereabouts you are.

Michael (00:31:57)
Ooh, prizes. And if… They sound great. And if you’d like to get in touch to suggest a guest or a future topic, we’d love to hear from you. Please email us at lets.talk.scicomm@gmail.com. And as always, a huge thank you to our production team Stephanie Wong and Steven Tang.